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Aug 24, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32
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Join Date: May 2005
Location: Near Your House
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Frenzy's really dumb :P FTL
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Aug 24, 2005, 06:39 AM // 06:39
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Join Date: Apr 2005
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Keep making subpar warriors with TF =)
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Aug 24, 2005, 06:40 AM // 06:40
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
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I mean, I'm a total nub, so please explain this to me. Normally people attack the soft targets - the Monks, the Mesmers, the Elementalists - first, in order to get some fast kills. The Warriors will usually get blinded, or crippled, or have some hexes tossed onto them, but they usually don't take a lot of damage early on. So what exactly does adding a great defensive skill to your Warrior accomplish? From what I've seen, it'd seem that no one would attack a Warrior until the match was almost over anyway. Quote:
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Then there's the issue of Warriors attacking other Warriors. I agree completely that it's a n00b mistake for Warriors to attack each other, it just doesn't make sense while those soft casters are around. So what exactly does Gladiator's Defense help you with here? Fighting off other Warriors who are too stupid to attack casters? That doesn't seem like it's shoring up any particularly big weaknesses. Quote:
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So usually my experience with Gladiator's Defense, almost entirely in the arenas I might add, comes after wiping out three of the four members of the opposing team. At that point there's just that one Warrior left, and when we start attacking him we notice the "-damage Gladiator's Defense" popping up, and observe 'hahah, this Warrior is using Gladiator's Defense'. Then we just wand and build adrenaline with normal attacks until Gladiator's Defense drops, and spike that Warrior out. Which is why this whole debate is so confusing. Am I doing something wrong? From the venom in your arguments I'd gather that Gladiator's Defense should be wtfpwning me, and not just be something that we notice and laugh at once the battle is over. Can you explain this to me? My simple mind is having trouble wrapping itself around this concept. Quote:
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Aug 24, 2005, 06:43 AM // 06:43
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Join Date: Aug 2005
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When did all this anti-frenzy shit start up? I'm guessing it was by the same people who think R/W's spamming irresistable blow are god's gift to PvP.
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Aug 24, 2005, 06:46 AM // 06:46
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Aug 24, 2005, 07:15 AM // 07:15
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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Aug 24, 2005, 07:38 AM // 07:38
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Join Date: Feb 2005
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:05 AM // 08:05
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Ascalonian Squire
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: New Zealand
Guild: Your Team
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Gladiator's Defense is for people who like to delay their inevitable death (did I use that word correctly? My english sucks...)
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:09 AM // 08:09
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Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Denmark
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Thanks for the good laugh Mhydrian, I really needed that.
Wait, your post wasn't a joke? |
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:13 AM // 08:13
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Join Date: Mar 2005
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no, no, more nos. gladiators defense is a good defense. but, as has been pointed out, when you, the warrior, are getting attacked, their entire team is on you, and they (should) have more than just brutes with swords. whatsmore, waiting for max. 10s is nothing. people with gd get just as whipped as people without gd. |
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:15 AM // 08:15
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Glads defense is a PvE skill. Why would anyone waste their elite on that in PvP god knows why
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:18 AM // 08:18
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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well we aint talking about pve, unless thats that other thread. they all merge together.
o yeha, back to the op. someone said theres no downtime on tf with qz. indeed, but that means your paying even more energy for a frankly useless mod on yourself (no double damage). |
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:21 AM // 08:21
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you're right "we" are not talking about PvE, but some other posters in this topic have some replies that makes me think they are
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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well if you spend too long gvg'ing down around 600-900 gd would probably work. ive been random gvg with anyone to get easy faction and dam, those people just dont seem to understand. ive had a number of matches against teams who actually do attack the warrior (or whoever ran in first). therefore, even against teams who are meant to be organised and know things (guilds ffs) stuff like gd is actually valid.
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:56 AM // 08:56
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Rii I suppose thats a good reason not to run in with frenzy on... Who does that anyway? You don't even run in with TF on unless you're a moron because you're just wasting time since you're not attacking yet.
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Aug 24, 2005, 08:58 AM // 08:58
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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indeed. but people who like running in might not think that runnning in is the wrong thing, and therefore decide that instead of not runnning in theyll take gd :S. scewered logic i know but i can see the cogs moving in some peoples head.
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Aug 24, 2005, 11:29 AM // 11:29
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Join Date: May 2005
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Just ignore ensign, hes a nub. i mean, im not sure wether they still teach this nonsense about "Evolution" in "Berkeley, CA".
Just look, he tries to prove that cleave is totally inferior to eviscarate using ... NUMBERS. AHAHAHAHHA. Everyone knows that math is the work of the devil, and that all skills are good in the right build. You just have to know how to play. **** So to actually add something to this thread: It seems that frenzy does have a downside: in a spike-heavy environment, using frenzy might actually be dangerous since spike-oriented teams do not need to take out the monk first. This also depends on other interesting factors. Are the axe warriors that actually carry a shield? How good are armor-ignoring effects like obs. flame? How considerable is the dmg increase while frenzied if you compare it to an usual target (monk)? Are situations where the warrior cannot switch out of frenzy fast enough? Are these situations easy to force upon the other team and is it worth it in the end? |
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Aug 24, 2005, 11:44 AM // 11:44
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Desert Nomad
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: UK
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obs. flame is better than air spiking. its exhaustion, well done, but its 112 damage no matter what. therefore. 5 el/me and 3 mo/x, and with a small energy cost and short recharge, your laughing all the way to the bank. (unless prot spirit works on it).
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